Tategoi

by Deron Simons on 14/09/08 at 8:44 pm

Tategoi

If you translate Tategoi from Japanese to English there is not a single word that can explain its meaning, it is a number of words all rolled into one but the basic gist is ‘a koi that is showing signs of top potential for the future’.

The word to make note of in this translation is the word potential, just because a koi is labelled ‘Tategoi’ it does not guarantee future greatness. As the koi grows the chances of a Tategoi fulfilling its potential becomes greater, afterall; three-year-old (sansai) Tategoi still has potential to maybe improve further but has already fulfilled quite a lot. Let me try and explain it by starting with Tategoi Tosai (one-year-old koi).

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The koi above at 1year old (tosai) are shown in the photographs below at 3 years old (sansai).

Small Tategoi Tosai (under 25cm) are probably the hardest to select but usually the most available. The reason for this is that every breeder has to grow on many small koi to Nisai, as it is not possible to ascertain whether they are male or female at this young age. Therein lies their dilemma, they only want females to grow on (unless for broodstock) but have to select the koi purely on the basis of quality and pattern and hope they are picking a high percentage of females while doing so. One other thing to remember when looking at Tosai whether they are Tategoi or not, is pay very little attention to body shape as this, like the gender of the koi is unpredictable at this stage of their development.

The system of grading Tategoi in Japan is quite simple. After spawning normally in June, technically everything is Tategoi because at this minuscule size there is very little to go on. As the months of summer pass the culling brings the numbers down and eventually the breeder is left with a number of pretty young Tosai. At this stage he then pre-selects his Tategoi, this is normally done at Harvest time (October/November). These koi are the ones that the breeder deems good enough to grow to Nisai (two years) and are now expensive to buy and will be further grown and reared throughout the winter months until May/June.

Just prior to going into the mud ponds in late spring/early summer these Tategoi are now graded for the last time and sometimes as little as 50% are put out into the mud ponds to grow on. The leftovers that up until the day of grading were still expensive koi are now called ‘tateshita’ meaning second best or not quite making the grade. The number one ‘tateshita’ is still a very high quality koi but the breeder cannot grow on everything and must draw the line somewhere. ‘Tateshita’ Tosai are some of the best bargains to be had, they are almost Tategoi, but no longer carry the Tategoi price tag. These koi can be very easily purchased as the breeder no longer wants them and sometimes accepts silly offers to get them out of the way. Their attentions at this time of year are turning towards spawning and normally they need to use all the space available.

Omosako mud ponds

Omosako mud ponds

When I am buying Tategoi Tosai in Japan I normally buy from breeders that I have a good relationship with, as over the years I have watched their Koi grow and I can use this knowledge when selecting from them. Also they are far more accommodating with regards to the amount of money I want to spend on small Koi. Many breeders are reluctant to sell their future fish at sensible prices, I was once quoted by a Japanese breeder over £600 for a 6″ Sanke, it was absolutely beautiful and I was extremely tempted to buy. The koi was not worth £600 at the time and would only reach this value if it a fulfilled a large part of its potential ie. Turned out to be female and with good body shape, may be within one or two years. I was not prepared to bet £600 on a 50/50 gamble and decided not buy. Eight months later I returned to Japan at Harvest time and the Sanke was 18″ long and still looking beautiful, but very much a male fish that now had a value of just £80! This is why I never spend too much money on Tategoi Tosai.

When I am buying Tategoi Nisai I am prepared to pay much larger sums of money as it is now a completely different proposition. The koi in order to qualify for Tategoi status are definitely female, the shape is becoming much more predictable, and the brightness of skin and the quality of colour are now eminently more apparent. The koi has now fulfilled one year of their potential. To buy a two year old koi that is regarded as a Tategoi by the breeder, you will always have to pay a high price. As with Tosai, if you can purchase the koi that was one away from making the Tategoi cut you still have a high quality koi thats extremely good value for money. On the flip side, all the Tategoi Tosai that have turned out to be male or have poor body shape or just poor koi full stop are now worth a fraction of their previous value.

sold by the Koi Waterlife Centre to a Japanese breeder for broodstock

Sold by the Koi Waterlife Centre to a Japanese breeder for broodstock

ZNA 2nd prize winner

When the two year old koi are put out to grow to sansai (three years) the numbers have dwindled yet further but the quality stakes have reached another level. Not only in the way they look but also in the amount of money it would cost to prise these fish away from the breeder.

A koi can be regarded as Tategoi long past three years, the Japanese still regard some koi as Tategoi at seven years, quite simply because they still feel this koi has potential left, to either grow or develop further or both.Most people have seen the word ‘Tategoi’ used quite liberally, it all depends on whose Tategoi it is, a breeders, dealers and hobbyists Tategoi are not necessarily the same thing. If you are using the terms Tategoi in a purely translated form it is just a word for a Koi that might improve. For me I only regard the breeders Tategoi as the genuine article and these are the type of koi I often buy, but only from Nisai upwards.

As with most aspects of koi keeping, knowledge is the one thing that gives you a big advantage when selecting koi (Tategoi or anything else for that matter). So if you are new to the hobby or just wish to learn more, find someone who has the necessary knowledge and use it, as they are normally all too happy to share it.

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4 Responses to “Tategoi”

  1. Bob Clarke

    Mar 31st, 2009

    Deron
    Many thanks for your explanation of “Tategoi”, the word now makes complete sense
    Thank You

  2. Roger Allen

    Aug 18th, 2009

    If possible could you elaborate on purchasing ‘tateshita’ in fairly large quantities (10000 or more). I have the room and the raw materials and want to experiment with growth differences related to grades and F2-F5 line breeding…..I think that banking the genetically superior lines may prove valuable if disaster or disease wipe out certain masters stock. I would like to eventually have a “masters” bank of ponds representing the best genetics but cannot afford filling them with AAA show quality specimens. Also, some backcrossing lines prove to be of value if deformity or weakness pop up in lines worth saving. I would only like to consider ‘tateshita’ from the best and most reputable masters but I know there is a lot of time and trust to be gained. I do know that the true culls such as deformed are not worth keeping other than feeding to my giant catfish, but would appreciate any suggestions on how I would go about obtaining the less than desirable, while focusing on their genetic potential vs. their phenotypic expressed qualities. Any suggestion? feel free to discuss this with me privately if you have the time. Thank you in advance.

    • PC Chong

      Feb 24th, 2010

      I am currently breeding kois in thailand. the parents came from Dainichi Koi farm in Japan. I do have lots of frys, but let than 10,000 pcs. If you are interested please let me know and we can discuss in detail. Currently i have just spawned a new batch. the males are Kohaku red and white and the other is showa, red, black and white. the female is a orange, black and white. I believe this spawn may be more than 10,000 pieces. they are just 5 days old.

  3. Deron Simons

    Sep 16th, 2009

    Hi,

    Tateshita do not exist in large quantities at individual breeders, however it would be possible to amass this number from several sources.
    I would just need to know in more detail what you are looking for, varieties and bloodlines etc.
    If you like further info then contact me on the above address.

    Deron

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